Melody Frey

The Underground had grown complacent with their spot in Los Santos as one of the few tribes with connections to the Cartel. The gang of Anarchists thrived within the shroud of chaos and itched from the addiction of adrenaline... "By the end of the month, The Pit will be finished." The Underground had come a long way from their humble beginnings. It was a bittersweet feeling looking back at their old memoirs and seeing how simple things were. The occasional chase with LSPD or shootout with whatever gang was targeting them that month... The memories were forever etched into their hearts. The fun for The Underground was the beautiful moments in between it all, from smoking weed to fist fights, from hosting events to selling guns... It was The Underground's time to give back to the community once again. The Cartel had given the family of Anarchists access to a room with dim-lit lights and a small ladder inside of it. As they crawled down and slowly moved furniture into the hole, they set up a private gun range and pit... A pit accessible to finally finish business between groups for good, or to finish off whatever was left of anyone deemed corrupt. Melody smiled down at the ladder and thought about how far they had come... From the very beginning to now, and for many, many more years to come. "Respect our existence, or expect resistance."

I'm glad to see you guys finally made a faction thread. Much love from The Underground

There's weeks of RP going into each of these events, for the record. We took her hostage in a private room below the actual gov building with zero witnesses, and by all means did it with a purpose as we have been after the information we finally got there for months on end. I won't disclose that information due to possible metagaming, but you can ask Hope Kant OOCly as to rather or not she enjoyed the event and she confirmed that with me as well. We've done a lot of RP with SAGOV, from things minor and major, from threats to full blown protests turned riots. While yes we ICly "don't like the police", each time we have ever done this has been in response of something LSPD has done to us. The most recent graffiti was actually due to an officer deciding to Fortnite emote on an injured member they had just gunned down. All of my organizations RP is typically retaliatory, minus the occasions where we are just hanging out and being typical low-income criminals and breaking into things. My faction is late night NA hours, but I do try to get RP rolling earlier than our peak hours solely so we CAN interact with PD. My faction isn't trying to win every encounter, we're just trying to have fun and provide unique scenarios for the server to interact with. We try to think outside of the box and give LSPD things to do that isn't always going to end up in the same old shootout and chase. If anything, we try to go out of our way to for LEOs to gain RP. Yes, the community would most likely be at an outrage at that point. The reason they'd be outraged wouldn't be because "well we want justice for the Anarchist gang", they'd be outraged because if LSPD can do that to us; they can do it to anyone. Eclipse is one big community, or at least it should be; and pushing things beyond certain limits quite literally does nothing but make people scared to lose things they love and hold dear. If you're allowed to do all of these things listed, why wouldn't you be able to do it to factions that can come up? Why even make anymore factions at all? I don't want to be the driving force that says "ooga booga LSPD OP" and begin preaching about how crim RP is already being suppressed because I'm a firm believer in just everyone having fun and trying to tell stories, but once you begin taking/seizing assets; you'd effectively just be scaring off even more of the crim population. The conversation isn't about my faction or your faction; it's about furthering stories and that's my point. I'm sorry you may not see my side or that you believe I'm not seeing some bigger picture, but you haven't painted that picture for me at all so I lack the ability to see it. While I think some areas would benefit from being NCZs such as Pillbox and Paleto MD solely due to them being the only body dropoffs and script limitations (not being able to lock your car while carrying a body so people can ransack your car, we can't simply drive through with an injured like MD does to drop off an injured person, etc) but even then I'm not for re-adding them as NCZs because even inconvenient petty theft or stealing a car from me can evolve into actual storylines with other factions or people that could potentially be very fun and rewarding. I only give a -1 here because No Crime Zones are just that... No CRIME Zones. I want to commit crimes. I don't want Mission Row, the Gov building, or anywhere else to make me think "I really wish I could have fun and roleplay here as a criminal, but let's do the speed limit, buckle my seatbelt and wave to Lewis like a good girl." It's boring.

I'm not for the inclusions of NCZs again, honestly. I'll speak my personal perspective as an illegal faction leader with official status on the matter... My faction leans heavily on being anti-PD and anti-Gov, and I'd like to believe we have brought very good RP to PD and Gov specifically. While yes we do vandalize places with RP graffiti, we also very often do events such as protests at city hall and even recently held @Buggs hostage on her character Hope Kant to gain info of the housing taxes that were supposed to be coming next year. We've even bolt-cut the gate of city hall just to smoke weed up there and vibe, talking for hours on end about our plans in the future of UG. We've even stolen medical supplies from Paleto MD RPly and emptied the medicine cabinets to help our people out before. Breaking into cars, shootings, and things of that nature have happened; yes. But there's a positive to the negative, and I personally think the positive outweighs the negative, and that's why I'd like to see them stay the way they are. People who have done things crazy like robbing people outside of Tequilala, setups at MD, but all of those to my knowledge got punished and showed that it's inappropriate. All in all, I enjoy the lack of NCZs because it allows for criminals to explore more criminal things to do without the fear of a rulebreak unless they go completely overboard.

Huge +1. Another idea to add onto this is maybe just retexturing the normal bag from stores into a similar one in the picture here and allowing them to only be sold to the general public so civilians or people with training could carry them

My only issue is offline raiding which isn't realistic most of the time. Most of the times I was raided, my character was "asleep" inside of the place that was raided. I do not want LEOs to have to wait for the person to be online, BUT I do want an admin to ping me for RP OPs and just hit me with a "You would get a notification on your phone that your home is being broken into!" similar to how we get them if someone is boltcutting into things. I feel like that would at least help the situation and would require next to no effort to do.

Right now Crim and PD are definitely not matched in terms of power, but it's still very winnable every fight. My faction has wiped PD several times on several occasion, especially once the gun update hit and my faction is only known for being an RP faction, not shooters/clappers. At the end of the day as many people have said, you just have to play the game a bit smarter and learn from your mistakes. PD is overpowered, don't get me wrong; but changing your ways to adapt to the situation is much better than making people quit the server.

I'm actually all for this but only if we can fix the rendering distance issue with helicopters. Helicopters can fly above the render distance and still see you which provides a massive advantage, plus for some reason we cant look straight upwards into the sky to see what is above you due to GTA mechanics. If we could get those two things fixed, I 100% agree that this should be implemented. Until then I think it would just cause further balancing issues and cause more complaints.

-1 simply because most of the server aren't US players I'm pretty sure.

Title kind of says it all. There are a ton of vehicles on the server right now that aren't able to hold bodies and definitely should be able to, including some that are very old. If needed I can attempt to gather a list of all vehicles missing trunks, but ones such as the Beater Dukes, Boor, and many from the last two car updates are still missing the ability to hold bodies which in this server is an absolute detriment to determining rather or not you want a vehicle. Plz add

text me with an offer, please! 423-2733

The Underground had finally set up their event without issue. Without a raffle license in hand, they thought that perhaps the LSPD would be an issue, but they never even asked about it. Melody smiled at how good the turnout for the event was, and all of The Underground had a blast with all of their friends, family, and people who showed up. It couldn't have gone better.

Massive +1, being able to buy things and split them apart in a bulk manner would be a wonderful QoL update.

+1, having the minigame go up to however many water bottles you have would be really nice but still not encourage people to go back to interior labs and would just eliminate opening your inventory every single bottle.

I could be wrong, but I think there are reports that have been accepted for NRP for this very thing. Here's at least one I found: